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DIANE KNOX: This is Secret Golf with Elk and Knoxy. And it is our podcast the week of the tour championship at East Lake in Atlanta, the big finale of the FedEx Cup. Elk, how are you?

STEVE ELKINGTON: Good day, Knoxy. How are you?

DIANE KNOX: I'm great. Are you doing OK?

STEVE ELKINGTON: Yep. I was talking to my dad last night, so my accent is on point today.

DIANE KNOX: Well, I'm actually going--

STEVE ELKINGTON: [INAUDIBLE] accent, that is.

DIANE KNOX: --I'm going back to Scotland tomorrow, so. But I don't think my Scottish accent has disappeared at all.

STEVE ELKINGTON: It certainly has not. In fact, the only time that I can hear you enunciate your words correctly is when you do the podcast, otherwise you get a little sloppy when you're on the phone and I can't hardly understand a word.

DIANE KNOX: Oh, with the Scottish twang.

STEVE ELKINGTON: I can't imagine what it's going to be like when you get back from the Glasgow.

DIANE KNOX: The Glas-- I was teaching you this yesterday, "Glasgay."

STEVE ELKINGTON: "Glasgay." "Glasgah."

DIANE KNOX: [INAUDIBLE]

STEVE ELKINGTON: "Glasgay." "Glasgah."

DIANE KNOX: "Glasgay."

STEVE ELKINGTON: Yeah.

DIANE KNOX: Well, I'll make sure I bring some good Scottish words back for you, then. So with this week being the final, final event in the FedEx Cup playoffs, as I said, at East Lake in Atlanta, the big tour championship, the top 30 players in the FedEx Cup are competing to-- to win the big one, I guess. And we're lucky enough to have three of our Secret Golf players competing within that top 30. One of them just made

STEVE ELKINGTON: Jason Dufner. Made it by half a FedEx Cup point, whatever that means. But--

DIANE KNOX: [INAUDIBLE]

STEVE ELKINGTON: I'm a little bit FedEx fatigued. I mean, I-- over-watching some of the events, you know, pulling for our players, Knoxy. I'm sort of-- I'm a little bit, you know-- I'm a little bit-- you know, Phil Mickelson has this putt. If he makes it, he goes to 25th. If he misses it, he stays at 32. If he three putts, he goes to 30th. I'm a little bit fatigued about how this whole point thing works. I mean, I don't about you, but it seems as though there's been a lot of talk about the guys that are trying to advance. And I think there's hardly any been talk of who's going to win it, or who's up front.

DIANE KNOX: I agree with that. And I think that the focus definitely is on the bubble, as they call it, and the players that are-- are round about the mark to get into the next event. And then you look at the top of the FedEx Cup leaderboard, and I guess it's the names that you would probably expect to see out there. Jordan Spieth Justin Thomas, Dustin Johnson. But you're right, there's not so much focus on them, it's more the guys that are round about that bubble.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Yeah. And of course, one of the things I've noticed-- you know, we have three players, as you noted Pat Perez, who's right there at the top ten. Jason Dufner, who was on the bubble. And then Brian Harman, who comfortably got in. Um-- you know-- one of the things I've noticed that-- that-- you know, I'm not a stat guy. I've never looked at statistics. But I went through the top 30 today, and I looked at it, and I-- I-- I realized that for as much talk as there is about how far the boy is hitting the ball, and it's a power game and all that, I still counted half the players that are in the top 30 are what I would call-- not smashes, that are not long hitters, including our three. Our three, Pat Perez, Jason Dufner, and Ryan Harman, are all what I consider tour average, length-wise.

DIANE KNOX: I wanted to ask you about that, I-- the whole argument, you know, the bombers, when you look at the likes of Dustin Johnson and Justin Thomas. The power players, power against precision. What-- what do you think is your take on that?

STEVE ELKINGTON: Well, I think, you know, when those power players do get precision, that's when they run away, and that's where we're so all impressed. But let's break it down a little bit. Let's see-- let's-- let's talk about our three players. Let's talk about Pat Perez for a second, who's having his best year. I think he's the only player at age-- age 40 to make the top 30 for the first time. Pat's coming off an injury. He had a real chip on his shoulder about losing his status on the tour, and he came back with a vengeance. He won at [INAUDIBLE]. And this really has not let up the whole year. He's just had second place-- you know, it's just every week he's winning. I-- I keep texting him. I said you should be wearing a mask over there, because you're stealing so much money from the tour, you know.

But he-- Pat is a-- you know, he used to be a long p-- long hitter when he first came on tour. He was known as a long hitter. And basically, about two years ago he gave up thinking he was a long hitter. And he started working on his wedge game, and he started laying up on par fives, and he started hitting these precise wedges.

He also, um, changed the way he putts. He's a left eye dominant guy like mine and-- like I am, and he unveiled a very important secret to his putting. He's turned into the best putting I've ever seen for a guy that just made one adjustment. That, of course, is in our vault at Secret Golf. You could always come by Secret Golf and check out Pat Perez.

Jason Dufner. Everybody knows Dufner. He has, you know, a Hogan-like swing. He's not-- um, you know, he's, as I say, he's not ripped, right? Diane, you-- you-- you-- you're a body person, you-- you like, you know, the good-looking bodies like-- you know, let's-- let's face it, what are we talking about here? Dustin Johnson or Brooks Koepka. Duf's not built that way. Would-- would you agree?

DIANE KNOX: Yeah, I remember-- yes. And I've met Jason a few times now, so we can-- we can see this without him being offended or anything, but, you know, he's got that belly thing going on, and it's kind of working for him. Do you remember, he lost all that weight a few years ago, and everyone said that no the way is back on him, he's playing his best golf again. So--

STEVE ELKINGTON: He lost his all-- he lost his-- he's lost his weight, and he lost half his wallet. But he-- he also is our friend, of course. Jason Dufner is our-- he couldn't care less what we say about him, because, uh, we love him dearly.

Dufner is a precise player, right? Everyone knows that his putting has always been something that he's struggled with. He, of course, won this year at Jack Nicklaus's tournament at Muirfield, where he putted fantastic, and holed a 30 foot putt on the last hole that closed everybody out. It's always the same thing with Jason Dufner. When he's putting well, he's a force to be reckoned with. He hits the ball straight. He's one of these guys that have zero shift in their swing.

Again, when we shot Jason Dufner's channel-- we're going to talk about channels some more in this podcast in a little bit. But when we-- when we shot Jason Dufner's channel, Diane, players have in to out swings, over the top swings, but Jason Dufner is pretty close to 0.0 shift in his swing. And I know that doesn't land very heavily on your, uh, ears right now, but he's just very, very prolific, very-- very, uh, mechanically correct player. And there he is, right in the top 30.

Now, Brian Harmon, left hander, who they skipped over to take another left hander, in the President's Cup, Phil Mickelson, which was-- he totally got shafted by Phil Mickelson in-- in the tour for that, because they wanted to have Phil in their for a story. So he doesn't make the top 30, but Brian Harmon does easily. Almost won the US Open. Won, of course, this year in Charlotte.

Harmon's another guy. I say-- they always say, well, he doesn't hit it very far, and he always answers, I hit it far enough. And what he means by that, he's just-- you know, he's in-- you know, in the game. It's-- it doesn't concern Brian Harman how far he hits the ball, Diane. He's just-- he's all about, you know, being precise on his iron shots, being consistent. Great chipper and putter. Super up and down game. He's sort of like-- Diane, he's a left-handed Jordan Spieth--

DIANE KNOX: OK.

STEVE ELKINGTON: --if you will. He scrambles well. He-- I know he hasn't won anything like Jordan Spieth's career, but he's a similar player.

DIANE KNOX: Well, Brian won the Wells Fargo earlier this year, the tournament that [INAUDIBLE] has actually finished second in. So, as you said, all three of our guys have had wins on tour this year. One of my friends, actually, he works for the web.com tour, and he said to me that his one guy when-- when people always say, you know PGA Tour players, who's your one guy to watch? He's like, Brian Harmon. Brian Harmon is going to go on and do incredible things in his career.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Well that's interesting, because, you know, you hardly ever hear-- you know, one of the great things about Secret Golf and the-- and-- and the 17 players that we have, that, you know, we do all their content for, it does give the average person, including this podcast, to hear a little bit more about, you know, some of the people that, you know, we don't see.

Now, I love Rickie Fowler, Dustin Johnson. You know, Bruce-- Brooks Kepler-- Koepka. But when I see my, you know, PGA Tour app, and I see the little movie camera on that they're going to be showing them the first two days, I just-- I just tune off, because I got to watch them every shot, every day, the whole two-- you know, the first two days. I-- I really think, you know, the story is bigger than that, to be honest.

DIANE KNOX: So looking at our three guys right now heading into, er, th-- the tournament this week. Jason Dufner, as you said, he just hot in there, number 30, which was brilliant.

STEVE ELKINGTON: $140,000 last place this week. Diane, what could you do with 140? Would that be a shopping spree for you?

DIANE KNOX: Well, as I said, I'm flying to Scotland tomorrow, so I think I would probably look into the private plane.

STEVE ELKINGTON: No shopping there. You'd be buying--

DIANE KNOX: Yeah.

STEVE ELKINGTON: No shopping in Scotland. Be buying warm winter jackets.

STEVE ELKINGTON: --in for a-- thick, wooly-- thick, thick wooly socks.

DIANE KNOX: I think would be the private plane. Definitely. I would-- I would make sure that I could fly. Or--

STEVE ELKINGTON: Oh, you'd blow it on the private plane?

DIANE KNOX: I think so. Part of me would. Or I would look at the first class ticket, anyway.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Yeah. And then what else would you do with the change? Would you go to, like, Vegas and go shopping, and maybe try to double the money? Or would you--

DIANE KNOX: There's, erm-- there's a matching belt and handbag that I really want right nice, so I would probably go and buy those, too.

STEVE ELKINGTON: [LAUGHTER]

DIANE KNOX: That's a very girly answer, isn't it?

STEVE ELKINGTON: Someone in my office told me that you had-- had ranked the best-looking single guys left in the top 30. There's a leak. They talk about--

DIANE KNOX: They're not supposed to tell you that.

STEVE ELKINGTON: They talk about leaks in the White House, and-- I got a text today that said Diane was ranking the-- the single guys left in the tour championship. So let's have it. Out with it.

DIANE KNOX: Well, can I just say it's because I'm the only female that actually works here, so I'm surrounded by all these boys all the time, so of course they're going to out me. Er-- we also had the debate about whether the single ones were the ones who just weren't married, because looking at the list, I think most of them, if not all of them, do have girlfriends in their lives. But we're looking at the ones who don't have wives right now. Erm-- so--

STEVE ELKINGTON: Yeah, we're looking at ones that don't have wives, yeah.

DIANE KNOX: So you want to hear my top three?

STEVE ELKINGTON: I want to hear your top-- I want to hear who's-- I want to hear top five. I want to hear-- I want to hear-- I want to hear top six.

DIANE KNOX: I don't even know if I have that many. I only have three.

STEVE ELKINGTON: OK.

DIANE KNOX: I only have three.

STEVE ELKINGTON: OK. I'm not going to rank them. So I know Jordan Spieth's single. I know Justin Thomas is single. I know Brooks Koepka is single. Dustin Johnson, we can't c-- got two kids, you can't count him.

DIANE KNOX: Yeah, exactly. Erm-- he's as good as married. Well, Jordan Spieth's on the list. He's definitely on the list.

STEVE ELKINGTON: OK.

DIANE KNOX: Erm-- Rickie Fowler is on the list.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Oh, that's-- Ricky.

DIANE KNOX: Yeah.

STEVE ELKINGTON: He's got-- yeah. But he-- doesn't he have something going on at the moment? Serious?

DIANE KNOX: Yeah, with a-- a pole vaulter?

STEVE ELKINGTON: Pole vaulter, yeah. Cheers. Erm, and--

STEVE ELKINGTON: That's a podcast on its own.

DIANE KNOX: The-- the number one-- the way I rank them is, erm, how good they look in their white golf trousers.

STEVE ELKINGTON: [LAUGHTER]

DIANE KNOX: That's-- that's my number one thing. I do! That's my favorite thing.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Really? Yeah. And--

STEVE ELKINGTON: Really.

DIANE KNOX: --Brooks Koepka comes out at number one.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Brooks Koepka one? Yeah, he's--

STEVE ELKINGTON: And what-- what do we like here? Is it this-- the-- is it the big dopey look, or those real strong, those big strong arms?

DIANE KNOX: Big strong arms.

STEVE ELKINGTON: --kind of look-- not dopey, like dopey as in, like, a fun term, like where he's not really that serious about anything.

DIANE KNOX: Yeah. It's the big strong arms. That's exactly what--

STEVE ELKINGTON: Is it?

DIANE KNOX: Yeah. [LAUGHTER]

STEVE ELKINGTON: Is it the strong ar-- is it?

DIANE KNOX: And that's all I'm going to say about that.

STEVE ELKINGTON: [LAUGHTER]

DIANE KNOX: You're terrible. I'm going to find the leak.

STEVE ELKINGTON: So-- so is it the-- just-- just for the record, is it the-- does-- what are women looking for when they look-- what are the first things they look at the sport-- what-- when they look at the sportsmen, what are they looking at first? Because I know you were just at the, uh, the football just recently, at the Jacksonville Jaguars.

DIANE KNOX: Yes.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Saw it on Instagram. So what do you look for first when you look at the guys? Because a lot of guys listen to this podcast. They're going to want these tips.

DIANE KNOX: OK, OK. Well, I-- I have worked in golf for a long time and have been around golf a long time, so I do love the golfing attire. That's something that I do like. Actually, do you know what, when you think about it, my two favorites right now are Brooks Koepka and Jason D, and they both wear the same sponsor. They're both Nike.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Manufacturer.

DIANE KNOX: Yeah. Aha. And they both wear the similar clothing. So maybe it's something to do with the--

STEVE ELKINGTON: --tight and revealing--

DIANE KNOX: They're tight, yes. [LAUGHTER]

STEVE ELKINGTON: --yoga pants for men.

DIANE KNOX: I was going to say it's the brand of clothing that likes to keep things a little bit on the tight side. So yeah, that's got something to do with it. Definitely.

STEVE ELKINGTON: What about the-- like their face, or do-- the-- does their hair count? Or does any--

DIANE KNOX: You're really into this, aren't you? You're really asking a lot of questions about this.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Well no, I just want to get to-- I just want to get to the-- you know, because there's a lot of guys out here that are-- right now that are listening, and they're like, it's a wardrobe thing? I mean the guy could be fat, and he could be, you know, whatever. And he's like, hey, you know, I've just got to get some white pants to look good. And-- no, it's got to be more than that. It's got to be they got to look nice, don't they?

DIANE KNOX: Yeah. They also have an athletic-looking physique. This is like in general. Obviously these guys are professional athletes, so the majority of them do. An athletic physique. And they have to have a nice, smiley face. Like a s-- a good smile on their face. I like that.

STEVE ELKINGTON: So Jordan's in there. He smiles nice, doesn't he.

DIANE KNOX: Yeah, he's got a lovely smile. Jason D, lovely smile,

STEVE ELKINGTON: He's the boy next door. He's not the muscular-- he's not, like, the alpha, is he?

DIANE KNOX: No, but you can tell that he's trim, and that he looks after himself. Yeah, yeah. So that's important.

STEVE ELKINGTON: All right.

DIANE KNOX: That's-- er-- is this enough? Do you want any more? Do you want to explore my dating life? Or--

STEVE ELKINGTON: No, I-- I'm embarrassing my-- I'm [INAUDIBLE] myself for asking these questions, just, you know-- being married for 25 years, I don't-- you know, I can't keep up with all this-- this stuff. But, uh-- OK, moving on.

Where are we going now? What-- what-- what else is on out thing there?

DIANE KNOX: Where are we going? Well, what we-- well-- funnily enough, today I've just been finishing off editing our Gerina Piller player channel. So that's going to be going live on secretgolf.com in a few weeks. So yeah, similar thing.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Speaking about attractive people--

DIANE KNOX: Exactly.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Yeah, well, I mean-- Gerina Piller just came off winning the Solheim Cup with her teammates, you know, Stacy Lewis, Brittney Lange-- you know, our girls, you know-- Gabby Lopez, who was not eligible to play in the Solheim Cup, just had a great week in-- in Switzerland.

We have the best girls on our staff, none more so than Gerina Piller. She's so athletic. Her legs are so strong. She is such a great swing. She fades the ball. She was a athlete-- the story-- Diane, the story that she told us when we shot her player's channel in Fort Worth was pretty amazing, don't you think? She was a proverbial-- for lack of a better term, she kept losing at everything. Do you recall the story?

DIANE KNOX: Yeah, well, she-- because she played so many different sports when she was going through high school. And golf really wasn't a sport for her that was high on the agenda to begin with. She played volleyball, she played baseball, she played football, soccer. She was a cheerleader for a little while, even. And then golf came along. But she really worked hard to get where she is.

STEVE ELKINGTON: And of course, the story that reminds me so much about her was when she said she was a-- a softball pitcher, and she used to come in and play with the boys. And she used to throw these little rainbows in there for-- on a practice. And then when it was time for the game, she'd send it in there high speed, and they were-- they'd make their eyeballs pop out of the way. Another thing she told me, Diane, was when she was living in El Paso-- she went to school down there-- she told me that-- um, when she started to work on her game, you know, she would have one of those large buckets of balls. And she said she would hit one large-- one of those big ones, that you, you know, you put all the buckets in. She would hit one of those with each club. Remember that? She said-- with each club, to work on her game.

DIANE KNOX: She said she would hit 13 buckets of balls in a row.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Exactly. She's so strong. Of course, she's married to Martin Piller, who just won on the-- on the web.com, and we're sweating him out for him to be in the top 25. Please, Lord, let him get back on the tour, because he-- he's such a good player, and-- he goes through these patches of up and down. Gerina has not won on the LPGA, which is shocking in its own right, but-- what stood out for you? You've edited this channel now. You've done other player channels. We are going to talk about two player channels we're going to shoot here next week. But what-- what stuck out for you? You're a-- you're a girl, you're a woman, you know, you watch Gerina, what-- what's going to be great for the women, and the men, to see Gerina's channel?

DIANE KNOX: I think, erm, one of the things about Gerina is the power that she generates, anyway. Her swing is just-- er-- it's so powerful. She is an athletic person. But the one thing that I really can relate to-- and Gerina did it, and also Jason Gore did as well-- is the relate playing golf and the motions of the swing to things that you do every day. So it could be something like, you know-- Gerina and Jason both had a-- a baseball background. And so did Jason Dufner. And he spoke about that in his player channel, too, that, you know, if you can throw a ball, if you can swing a bat, you know, all these athletic motions, that's what you need to get into golf. And Gerina did say that, you know, she'll watch someone throw a ball or swing a baseball bat, but give them a golf club and they freak out and they panic, because they think there's so much more to it. But she said, no, you just need to kind of keep it basic and remember those simple elements of our swing.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Yeah. It's really interesting that, um, as we've gone around and-- one of the reasons that I even founded Secret Golf was that the the golfers need to hear from the tour players that do it every day. It's great to be coached, and-- and we're all for coaches. We have coaches on staff at Secret Golf that talk about the intricacies of the swing and so on. But to hear the tour player, Diane, talk about either this motion feels like, or this motion is just like, or this motion I practice by doing this, it's very important for amateurs to hear this. And-- and-- of course, none other-- you know, Gerina is just-- she's, uh-- she's-- I-- I think I said it, and I think-- I said it back then. I said if-- if there-- if there was a thing in Vegas you could go bet on that she was going to win, that would be a bet that I would like to make.

DIANE KNOX: Yeah. I think it's coming at some point. So we're talking about Gerina's player channel, which, as I said, is going to be live on the website in the next couple of weeks, end of this month. But you're actually going to Sea island in Georgia next week to do two more player channel shoots with two guys that-- that we haven't shot before, Patton Kizzire and Brian Harmon.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Yeah, I'm really excited about both. And they live near one another in Sea Island. I've never been to Sea Island. I've been to Hilton Head, and-- and that side of the country is always very intriguing, because it has a kind of architecture that my wife and I like, that-- that old school kind of Louisiana plantation, or the old homestead look, with all the old live oaks. I just love that part of the country. So I'm excited to go-- you know, Savannah, Hilton Head, all those places just reminds me of-- they're like an old movie.

But, um-- Patton Kizzire played golf at Auburn. He's a tall kid, six foot four. And he's just come off his second year on the PGA Tour. Finished second last year out of a safe way. And he-- he's had an up and down year, but I'm looking forward to seeing-- seeing Patton to talk about his game. And of course, Brian Harman, who almost won the US Open this year, and as you noted, he already won in Charlotte.

You know-- one of the most important things to me, Diane, about doing Secret Golf is-- is-- you know, as you go to Secret Golf and-- a lot of people that I see at the club every day, they say, hey, Elk, I saw one of your videos on-- on @SecretGolf, or I saw it on the website, and what I like about your company is is I can-- you know, if I have a backswing or downswing problem, I can go straight to Secret Golf. You have it all organized, and you can go in and see all these different tour players-- uh-- tell me how they make that downswing, how they do that. Not only that, we show them how to fade, how to hit it low, how to hit it high. So when we go to shoot a player's channel-- and of course you know this, because you-- you go on them with us regularly-- we get our players to do 60 different disciplines of how they learn.

In my opinion, Diane, the tour player has an intellectual property of decades. Of course, no one knows this more than you, because your brother Russell plays on the-- on the PGA Tour, and I'm sure when you were growing up with him, he spent countless times at the golf perfecting his craft. Basically what we're doing is, we're shooting that-- and for those of you that are out there listening to this saying, well, you know, I'm don't-- I'm not too sure, Elk, if I should be getting a lesson that, you know, that Patton Kizzire is getting.

And I-- I say to them, we've built platform-- we've built a-- a-- a-- a curriculum at Secret Golf where we actually do the lessons for the beginner. We do the lessons for the 15 handicap. We do the lessons for the [INAUDIBLE] you know, all the way through. My biggest goal, Diane, and you know this in our company, is to have the correct videos sent to the correct handicap of the person. And that's the most important thing to me.

DIANE KNOX: Because-- the way I think about it is is that, you know, these guys are out on tour, and every Week they're playing against all these other guys, and they're playing to win. So, you know, if someone comes to Secret Golf and they want to work on something, it's because they're playing with their buddies at the weekend and they want to go out there and win as Well everyone wants to get better and-- and win.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Everybody's having a match. You know, one of the things that you can't, um, recreate for the average guy with a tour player is the-- there's the high, high iron skill level, but what-- what you-- what's identical, what's i-- absolutely identical between a-- tour players coming down the stretch is the feelings that we have and the average guy has. When Sam Sausage is out there playing his buddy for-- for-- for 10 bucks on the back nine, he's feeling the same pressure that we do, whether it's, oh, I don't want to screw this up. I've-- I've been hitting it right. I don't want to go right, I want to go down the middle. And they have to deal with all this emotional you know, stuff. I want to hold this putt. Did I misread it or hit it too-- all those sort of things. Now, the skills are-- the skills are different, but the emotions are the same.

DIANE KNOX: Yeah.

STEVE ELKINGTON: I think the most important thing for us is-- for us to get it right at Secret Golf is, we want you to come backstage with us and hear, you know, how we do it. Now, all of our players, as most people know, all own part of Secret Golf. So they're more inclined to tell you everything that they know, because it's in their best interest to do so, because we can get all this on film. We get all this on tape so that when you come over and you listen to one of our player channels, or we hear it-- you go through the curriculum. We have a curriculum at Secret Golf where you can start. And-- and Diane, I don't know what it's like for you, but when I learn something, I learn from copying. You know, I learn from looking at someone else. Some people like to read it. Some people like to see it on the video and then maybe have a coach tell them. In other words, there's-- there's different ways to learn something.

DIANE KNOX: Yes.

STEVE ELKINGTON: For me, I copied. And I-- I could still go out on the-- on the course and see a guy hitting a ball like a-- you know, Jason Dufner or Pat Perez, and go oh, you know, I see what that's working. Go over to my, you know, side and make a couple of swings with my swing, and then implement, maybe, that angle that I saw there. And that's kind of how I learned the game.

At Secret Golf, we give you all three. We do the-- we do the-- you can read about it, you can hear about it from the tour players, and you can see it in slomo on the-- on the-- on the videos.

DIANE KNOX: And also, we-- we go behind the scenes of the-- not just their games, the guys and girls at their actual golf game, but their life, how-- how they got into golf, how they started playing when they were in high school, their college experience, their first tournament. So you do learn more about them as people and how they got to where they are now.

STEVE ELKINGTON: A little-known-- a little-known fact that-- about this-- these two characters is, Harman gave Kizzire some front money to go and play on the mini tours when he thought he was done. Because I went out and finished second, second, first, and the committee's got enough money there to go try for the web. And got on the web, and there he is. And they live close to one another down there. So that's cool. I like that story.

But also, this week I'm excited because these guys are young, they work out a lot, and they're going to go to the-- we're going to go to the gym and get some routines, uh, Diane, on how to warm up for golf, and how to also warm down. And Patton said something about a massage. So I know a gym, a J-I-M, but I don't-- I'm not really a-- a J-Y-M kind of guy.

DIANE KNOX: We actually-- when we shot with Jason Dufner in Auburn, Patton and-- and Duf are friends, and Pat had come over to Dufer's house. And he was actually playing about in the gym and going through some of the-- the-- the exercises that he does to get ready.

STEVE ELKINGTON: He was standing on that big ball, like--

DIANE KNOX: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Remember that? He had a-- it was one of those big round balls. And he was standing on it on his knees, and swinging-- swinging a club like-- i mean, what are you? Are you in the Olympics for-- for-- for gymnastics? You on the balance beam?

DIANE KNOX: Well, you're going to find out. You can find it next week for [INAUDIBLE].

STEVE ELKINGTON: I am going to find out. I'm looking forward to that. And of course-- you know, shooting these guys, it's always fun to be with them. We have The Big Show down there. And-- you know, so many people when we come to town. Of course, it's the biggest bus in the world. It's a double decker. It was owned, you know, by Will Smith when he shot Men in Black. And I got The Big Show. It's-- there's only six of them in the world. And it works on a hydraulic. So it's a tin can, essentially, in the back, and then it hydraulically goes up so it has two stories. And my driver puts it all together. And Diane, I know-- I know you know it, but we have a big time in there. We have a putting green in there. We have one of the greatest whiskey collections in the world. I mean, what is not to love about The Big Show?

DIANE KNOX: The Big Show is really five times the size of my apartment. So when you roll into town, I'm like, oh, this is like staying in a hotel. It is fantastic. And--

STEVE ELKINGTON: Exactly.

DIANE KNOX: --the other good thing about it is that the, erm, you know, the-- the golfers that come and visit you, they feel very at home there, too. Because it's not like you're meeting them in a hotel or anywhere. The

STEVE ELKINGTON: --the old booth. And we have, you know, even a disco ball. If they-- if-- you know, if they had to feel like they wanted to do a disco party, they could do it. Of course, we got all the music. That-- That's no big deal. We've got the washer and dryer. We've got the-- you know, the whole, you know, gas stove. Got it all. And that is what we, you know, provide for our players when we come on the road. Of course, I'm upstairs, because that's-- that's-- that's what I do. That's where I-- I don't like hotels. You know, I used to-- I used to tell my kids, Diane, that I had homotophobia, which was this crazy name that I invented called-- hotel motel phobia, ho-- mo-- homotophobia.

DIANE KNOX: I love that.

STEVE ELKINGTON: And I caught this-- I caught this about 10 years ago, uh, after playing on the tour for, like, 22 years. It's like, I couldn't go in. And I-- you're a big hotel person, aren't you? You like them.

DIANE KNOX: I love a hotel. I love, erm, the fact that somebody cleans up after you. That sounds terrible, but they come and make your bed for you. And I love that.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Well, Ray does that for me. Ray does that for me. You know, Ray the driver. So that's-- got that covered. But-- you know, I got to this point where I'd go on a tour and-- I know other people have-- have homotophobia. But, uh, Jason Dufner loves-- he loves hotels. He said-- I go in there, he says, I take off my clothes and I lay face up on the bed. I said I couldn't give a rat's whatever. I just lay there the whole. Room service. I never leave.

Uh, I couldn't do that. I went psycho. And I-- then I had all the food was coming in under a dish, or under a little sil-- steel plate. Couldn't do it. I went-- I went nuts.

DIANE KNOX: Well a few-- a few of the guys have RVs. Jason Day's got his. Jimmy Walker has his RV. And you always see them parked at the tournaments. But you can definitely see the appeal of doing that over staying in a hotel, especially if you do have a family that's traveling with you.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Yeah. Well, I mean, I just-- yeah. I mean, I went nuts. So I went to [INAUDIBLE] but, you know, living in houses for a while and-- and renting homes. And that was-- that was kind of dodgy as well. So getting The Big Show for me was just a natural. I love it.

DIANE KNOX: Excellent. Good. Well, we're looking forward to hearing all about the shoots with Patton Kizzire and Brian Harmon. So, erm, on-- on our next podcast, maybe you can give us a bit of an inside backstage look at how they went.

STEVE ELKINGTON: We will take some extra special videos, Snapchat videos, of inside The Big Show.

DIANE KNOX: You're going to be on Snapchat. Well-- Snapchat inside The Big Show has got danger all over it, by the way.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Well, I've heard of it. I've heard of it. And you, you going to Scotland, and you have to go through-- speaking class when you come back, before you come back on the podcast, because--

DIANE KNOX: Oh, yeah

STEVE ELKINGTON: --your enunciation will be ter-- terrible, terrible when you come back.

DIANE KNOX: I'll do elocution lessons on the plane. I'm-- I'm actually thinking what Scottish words I could use to describe that. But there'll be a broad Scottish accent.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Bring me back an unusual Scottish word--

DIANE KNOX: OK. OK.

STEVE ELKINGTON: --for golf. We'll do that. We'll do-- I'll go and research some when I'm there. And I will bring you back.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Sweet travels. You know, Scotland's the only p-- place in the world that, you know, where we all eat the cow, we eat everything, all the nice meat, and-- and Scotland's like, you know what, it's so good, we're not going to eat any of that meat. No t-bones, no loins, none of that. We're going to eat the gut. We're gonna eat the stomach. That's-- that's, like, your main meal, isn't it?

DIANE KNOX: And the sheep. The haggis. That's where it comes around. You're not allowed in America, which is terrible. But yeah. I love it.

STEVE ELKINGTON: [LAUGHTER]

DIANE KNOX: Coming from the Australian. Coming from the Australian. That's right.

STEVE ELKINGTON: Coming from the Australians. Yeah. OK, Diane, well, safe travels to you.

DIANE KNOX: Thank you, and enjoy the shoot with the guys. And we'll hear all about it next week.

STEVE ELKINGTON: OK.

DIANE KNOX: Very funny. So another Secret Golf podcast coming your way next week. Don't forget, get online and you can check out all of our player channel videos that we were talking about there. secretgolf.com. And subscribe to our podcast. We do a different one for you every single week. And if there's anything you want us to cover on the podcast, then tweet Elk. He's @ElkPGA on Twitter. I'm sure you knew that already. And he's very vocal on there, too. So you might even get a response. But sign up and subscribe on iTunes. Just go to the podcast section and search for Secret Golf.

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