You told me that it took a while for you to get really comfy on tour. But you were really good physically. Mentally though you said it wasn't so easy to what? Put the four rounds together, or to play a month straight? A lot of people-- and I'm sure people will tell you all the time that oh, man, I'm so tired. I just played four days in a row, or something, right? The tour is different.

Well, I'll say this. You, know I always had this picture in my mind that I was going to be so good. I was going to be the talk and the top and win. And you know, and I come out, and not that I thought I was the best player in the world, but you go out there and you're like, man, you know, these girls are really good. Like these girls were all the best player in their town.

Yeah, exactly.

You know, and I was kind of shocked that I wasn't winning or competing. I had a great rookie year and I've had a great career. But it took me a long time to kind of sit back and watch them rather than just do my own stuff.

So do you think-- see I got on tour in '87. I didn't win until '90. And I thought that was about right for me.

Three years?

At least three, for sure. I was still-- I mean, for me to go on the range with Jack Nicklaus there and Trevino and Tom Watson and all these guys, it was a little-- I was a little freaked out to be honest with you.

I think everybody has that feeling.

Who was the guns out there when you first walked out there? That would have been--

Annika.

Annika.

Lorena.

Yeah. Ochoa was so good, wasn't she?

So good. I mean, I always looked up to her. I loved--

Everybody loves Lorena Ochoa.

Well, she's a great person. And I just, you know what, I try to emulate still to this day how she treats fans and people. She was so kind.

She's calm.

Always had time. Yes. Such a competitor. But she was amazing.

Laura Davies, she was a good player.

Yeah. Laura Davies, Juli Inkster. But Annika was kind of almost on the out when I was-- and I still got to play like a year or two with her, which I was thankful for. That was cool.

So was it seven years? Was it about right for you?

Seven years.

Did you have chances coming into that?

Yeah. No. I did. I had some second places. But I still think I just didn't have a real strong mental foundation. And I worked really hard.

And what does that mean like? Because you won at all these different levels. What does not having a mental foundation-- I mean, I'm guessing, but I just want other people to know. Because they have the same thing with their club championship.

Sure. Yeah.

What was it that-- like, you were so good, but you weren't good enough in your own mind. What do you mean?

So like, I'm very simple with my golf. I just play and I just swing and there's like not a whole lot going on there. But I just think I was so scared. I was so scared to fail, so scared to be in that moment, all the cameras on me, and choke and fail. And it took me a long time to just get past that and you know?

Everyone, obviously, has big issues. It's almost like, you've got to be able to-- I think what I'm hearing is, you've almost got to be able to play poorly graciously. You've got to be able to handle things not going your way. Like Arnold Palmer did it the best.

Absolutely.

Arnold Palmer would go out there-- and I know you've watched Arnold Palmer-- he played terrible. Still everyone wanted to see him play, even though he was playing terrible.

Yeah.

And we don't want that as pros. We want to be playing great. But he was able to somehow hurdle that threshold.