So was it true? Did he help you start to think about what he said in the recruiting pitch, where you eventually hear, we're going to get to where you're going to get out of there. And you had a great experience, and that was great, and it was interesting to hear about, you know, where you weren't going to go, and then you found this diamond in the rough, which is right there. All these guys you've been-- growing up, you've been beating them. You went to Houston to learn more, and now all of a sudden you're back there, and you guys have a great experience now. What was it like at the end when you thought about-- I want to know what it's like when you left there and you started to think about being a tour player.

So obviously, spent four years there-- one more summer to finish school up. My sophomore year, there were six of us to one individual team-- individual tournament-- out of 13 tournaments. Get all the way to my senior year, I was ranked-- well, I was back and forth one and two with Bill Haas. At the end of the year, I finished number two ranked in the country.

Bill Haas, of course, was at Wake Forest at the time.

Wake Forest.

Yeah, where his dad went and everything.

And all during those years, my whole goal was, I want to be a PGA Tour pro. And it's a dream that I knew that I had years ago when I was a young kid. But now that I'm at Lamar, and I'm in one of the best teams in the country, we're playing all the best, and I'm seeing what the best are. And I'm playing all these great courses, so I'm developing skills--

Logically you would think that, if someone's going to move on, you'd logically look at the landscape and think-- well, yeah, I could probably move in on this bunch. Because you start to think about 50 guys make it back then from the tour school, and I'm in the top two and this group is going to try, and logically start thinking that way, right?

Exactly, exactly. So all those years I'm thinking, I can do this, and so, I'm just asking question after question-- how do I do this, coach? And so he's developing me already, almost like a pre-PGA Tour coach. And he's got me into a whole new level, letting me meet coaches, and knowing the ropes, what's the next step. And so all the while that's going on, I'm focusing on graduate, turn pro, try to get some PGA Tour sponsors, some sponsorships, and then try to get some top spots. So I end up playing two tournaments-- the Houston Open and Greensboro at Forest Oaks back in the day.