And what size were you when you came to [? Orben? ?]

A little bit skinnier than I am now, about the same height.

Because you are not a huge guy, but people--

No, smaller guy.

You're coming up to 5'11, 5'10?

Yeah, 5'10. We got a lot of big athletes now in the game. Guys are getting bigger and stronger and faster. I'm a little bit of a throwback, I guess you could say, to what you're seeing out there now.

And I think golf swings-- a lot of it is determined on body type. I'm a little bit of a shorter guy, shorter arms. I'm not going to be very efficient having a real high-hand type of swing, lots of width. I'm more compact. I have more rotation.

A lot of people have said that I semi look like Hogan when I'm swinging, but it's not something I try to do. It just kind of happened that way. Got to find out what's best for you.

I always hear, oh, I want to swing like you. Or, I want to swing like this guy. You need to swing like whatever your name is. Swing like that guy and understand where you're at and what you want to do with the golf ball.

Yeah, your swings evolved into your body shape, right?

Got to get that body moving in the right direction for me. I don't think about my arms or my hands. I'm thinking about what my body's doing, my trunk, my core, my upper torso, how that's moving.

That's sort of your baseline?

That is my baseline. A lot of the drills that I do, get me to start going in that direction.