Jason Dufner & Chuck Cook: TrackMan - Working Into vs. Away From Wind

Jason Dufner, his coach Chuck Cook, and Steve Elkington discuss when to work into and away from the wind. They discuss the advantage and disadvantages of both strategies.


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[THWACK] So, obviously, you can see how Duf goes and swings around more with his swing. And then Elk was. And so he goes up and down on the same line. Whereas Elk goes up and then drops it down onto the plane, coming down.

[THWACK]

We're going to get one thing just clear, just for people to see this. Because I'm a bit of a freak for this. So here I am, all the way over this, over there, OK? That's where I am.

How are we doing on a boxing match?

Yeah.

You can reach me all day, huh? I'm going to lose that match. He's going to box my ears in from the outside.

My arms are eight inches longer than his.

Absolutely. They are.

You know what they call those over here in the States, right?

What?

You got ape hangers.

Ape hangers.

I told Chuck once when we were over, last week in Austin, I said, I tried to swing flatter. Like, I like the way Jason's swing looks there. But I felt like my arms are too heavy back here.

Absolutely.

They've got to be up here for me. You know what I mean, Jason?

Yeah. Definitely. I think body type plays a big factor into how people swing. My arms are pretty short. I'm about 5' 10".

Barrel-- a little bit barrel chested.

Yeah. And my arms just kind of work that way. Guys with longer arms, taller guys, they all seem-- the only tall guy I know that swings flat is Kuchar, and that's about it. Everybody else that's tall has high arms, high hands.

And I know he plays great. But his swing doesn't look like it suits him. Looks different. Know what I mean?

Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't look like real golf to me sometimes.

Yeah. Exactly.

But he's a great player.

Yeah.

Plays great doing it.

Yeah.

So that time, Duf's path was actually a little bit right because he's aiming right.

Yeah.

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That was a good one. You actually made that ball curve back into that wind.

He did. He's playing a hook into that wind.

Is that a preference for you? I like to let my dying ball go to the flag.

Yeah.

So I'll spin it into it and then let it die to it.

Yeah. I always like to try to work into it because I feel like it can stop. I feel like if I'm running with it, I feel like sometimes it's never going to stop.

That's what I think you see guys do a lot of times. They'll ride the wind when they want distance. And they'll work into the win when they're trying to get it stop.

Accuracy.

So that was two and a half right, and then the face was double zero. So that was a square face, which right path and a square face means a little bit of a draw into the wind.

And what kind of spin has he got going there?

5793.

Identical to me?

Very, very close. Yeah.

That one got--

So two really different swing actions. Different face ratio to path but we finished on the target the same?

Finished on the target. You came in more from the left. He's just trying to hold it online.

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I tell everyone that the reason I don't ever start the ball out to the right and bring it back is I'm no good at it. That's why I don't do that.

Right. Well, and what I would say, quite honestly, I see like a progression. This is for your viewers that-- is that most of the time what you'll find is you'll find people start off over the top, releasing early, slicing the ball a lot. And then, as they get better at any age, they start hooking it, or drawing the ball into the wind. Or not into the wind, but just drawing the ball to produce distance, to hit the long clubs better. And then I think once they get on tour, they start taking some of that curve out.