I put you down here for a reason. I wanted you to show us how to bump and run. I mean, tour players like to fly over all the trouble. Could even hit a wedge from here and fly it all the way. But that's not real-- realistic for the average guy.

No, not at all. I mean, it's-- both shots are difficult. I mean, where this is a nice-- we have a lot of-- a lot of slope here. But the bump and run is-- gives you a little bit more--

Room for error.

--yeah, room for error.

Keep the ball on the ground.

Yeah, you get it rolling.

There's more chance of hitting it solid for the average player.

Exactly. A smaller-- smaller swing.

Because you've got way less loft.

Right. I'm using an 8 iron. If I were flying the ball all the way to the hole, I'd be using a--

60.

--60 degree or something like that. But keeping the ball along the ground. You know, we're essentially shortening the shot because I'm picking out where I want to land it. Because I know the flight, you know, I know how it's going to come out, and I know--

It can't go anything but low.

Right, it's going to go low. I see how it's going to fly, and I see where I want to land it. So I've just taken this 40-yard shot and turned it into a 10-yard shot.

I see.

So that's-- now I got a 10-yard target that I'm trying to hit instead of a 40-yard target.

The fun of golf, is it not, is actually seeing what you think it's going to do and then actually doing it.

See if you can do it.

See if you can do it. I mean, I think sometimes, this may sound crazy, but they think about the shot in a wrong way. They stove up about just trying to hit the shot. You're saying use a lot more of your imagination.

Yeah, it's--

So that you can just say I know what I want to do.

It's an opportunity to-- to imagine what is supposed to be done. And then another opportunity to match it up. I mean, it's--

And while you're doing that, you-- if you hit a good one, you-- that's a big building block.

Yeah, that-- it gives you a--

It goes in the bank.

--a little bit of joy in there and a little bit of memory, and--

Joy. You read it right, and you did it.

Yeah. Yeah, so--

So how do you, how do you hit it?

Well, it's-- it's a lot like a putt, but you've got a loft on your club. Um, I stand pretty close to the ball. I hold the club a lot like I do a putter, but I still use my interlock. And some people, you can use your putter grip, and stand pretty close, and really do it like a putt. I do everything like a putt except for my grip. I feel better with the interlock grip on these shots. So--

Are you trying to chip it up, or down, or squeeze it, or--

Yeah, I'm--

--just like a putt where you just-- nobody miss it, nobody miss it--

Right.

--to putt.

Right, you're trying to hit kind of like a downward blow on a putt.

OK.

I'm kind of going a little bit down, a lot of sweep, but a little bit down. Catch that ball first, pitch it onto the green--

Watch it roll.

--say 12, 12 feet and just watch it roll down the hill, back up.

Any, no wrist break?

No, not much wrist break at all. It's a pretty standard shot.

That was pretty, pretty good.

Yeah, I like that one.