OK, Stacey, we have chosen a very devilish little shot right here. Pretty tight. This would be where par 5, laid up right here. You've got your 60.

It wouldn't be a very good layup, but.

It wouldn't be an awesome layup. But we have an opportunity here to play your 60, and your, maybe, your chip and run. What do you think?

Right, yeah, I mean it's a shot you can kind of do both. I mean, my thing is whichever one you choose, you've got to commit to.

Yeah.

And both of them probably have about the same odds, I think, just because the shot is just hard.

Yeah, it's a hard shot. That's a good analysis right there, what you just said.

And I think that's key to, when you pick a chip shot, I mean, know what-- I mean, if it's hard, don't have these expectations that it's going to be like this. You're probably going to have to make a 8 footer here, which is fine.

Even in the outside, a 15 footer, right?

Right, exactly. So I mean, it's you've got to have some expectations with shots like this.

So on your 60, like you spoke about just a minute ago, if you're going up, are you trying to go up with your follow-through, or not quite here?

Yeah, if the shot was a little longer. I think the follow-through would be longer. But the biggest thing here is to create some angle. So I'm actually going to use some hinge here.

So not the shoulders as much. You're going to use some hinge.

Yup. So and to me, the key that I like is that I'm hinging it kind of through my hand. It's not being hinged backwards, but it's being hinged--

Almost to me.

--up through my thumb. Yeah, so it's going to look like it kind of goes right up there.

But because you're moving, it's going to be right on the money, right?

Exactly. So we're going to open the face pretty good. A little bit more forward in the stance. And it's really creating the hinge.

Man, well there's that 8 footer, though, what you talked about. So that's a sort of a one, two, type thing-- like one, two, hold on to it.

Right, and it becomes, to me, I think it's a harder shot than what we were hitting before just because it requires more timing of that hinge. So it's not necessarily a shot I would, like I said, I wouldn't layup to this distance because I don't want to have this shot.

This is big stress--

It is.

--For a person. You've either-- you've kind of errored to be here, would you agree?

Right, exactly.

Or you've hit a wayward shot on a par 4 or something.

Right, you know you've already made the mistake to be here, so let's not--

Double that.

--Make it worse.

You still make that real-- you thump it, don't you?

Yeah.

And, of course, as you said, for people-- there's a lot of talk about bounce and how much bounce and all that. But when you when you open that club, that essentially lowers that big chunk of steel right there onto the ground, and that's what you're hitting with.

Right, so this is what is hitting the ground. This leading edge is really not hitting the ground--

Not hitting the ground.

--Hardly at all. I mean.

No.

What's hitting the ground is the back end of this wedge. And that's how you use the bounce. And people are just so afraid to open that thing up. But my key is when it opens, it's the hands have got to go forward-- at least a little bit.

Yeah.

You can't use the bounce right if that's the case.

I think what everyone is learning is it's a very-- it's a process that you just do not vary on. You open it, and then you shoulder it, and bang, it's a--

And I change it more with my hands than I do anything.

All of those shots you just hit right there-- and we'll see when we look at the film-- but they've all finished on the safety side right there.

Right.

Now, let's go for one and let's-- good, bad, or indifferent-- let's see if we can hit it stiff from here. Let's say you had to get it up and down to win your match in the Solheim Cup. There it is. There's more risky-- I think you might have just made it.

I just might have made it.

Oh.

Almost.

So your natural inclination is not to go that tight to the front edge.

No.

Not really, unless there's something big on the line.

Right.

Would you consider a 50?

I'd say 50. Do that one.

Maybe one hop it up there, or something?

And like shots like this is what-- when we get to a golf course-- this is what we practice. Because every golf course is different as far as how it bounces out, how it releases. This grass we're playing on zoysia here. It's really sticky.

Sticky.

So what I'm looking for here is one bounce into the hill, and then it's on the green. Because if you get two bounces, it's going to be done.

Back to your shoulders. Oh, man, that was pretty. But even that one really stuck into the hill, didn't it?

Right. So that I mean, so there is some error with that shot as well because if you get two bounces, you're chipping again.

It could come back again.

Right so.

Would you be inclined probably to try to take out the bank, if possible?

Yeah, I don't always like hitting into a bank just because--

Unreliable.

--I can't control that. I can't control how it's going to bounce, or what it's going to do. And playing a British Open is different.

Different.

You know what kind of bounce you're going to get there.

The turf's totally different.

But here, it's a little bit more unpredictable, so.

Man, that's good touch, Stacey. Now that one there was stiff, right?

That was good, yeah.

So it's proven that that one is actually sort of--

I would say yeah, to here--

--centers you now a little easier.

This is definitely the easier shot here for sure.

Yeah. But I just like to pick a-- not like a specific spot, but just kind of a general area.

Yeah.

There's one pine needle I kind of singled out that if I can get it just passed that, then it should be good.

And you're going back to your shoulders here now.

Yes.

Man, you're hitting that so nice.

The hardest part for me on these shots is that you want to get your wrists and your hands involved in there. And you lose the contact and you kind of hit up on it. And that's the one that comes up short.

And you're doing that all with that shoulders.

Yup. You know a lot of guys like, you see some of the guys, they talk about their chipping, it's all about their hands. Phil, he does all these chip shots where he hinges and holds it and all this stuff. And my thing is just use-- it's just a smaller version of what you do every day, on the swing.

Now you've hit those three low just like textbook.

Four.

Four.

You might as well start reading the break right here. That's stiff.